Pastor lays out gospel message on Shapiro podcast

Friday, December 7, 2018
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John MacArthur and Ben ShapiroA well-known pastor-author sat down with a well-known writer-speaker to discuss faith and the gospel message, politics and Donald Trump, garnering numerous headlines for their frank discussion.

Pastor John MacArthur was interviewed by Ben Shapiro for the weekly "Sunday Special" podcast program at The Daily Wire.

The exchange earned a lengthy story at religious website PulpitandPen, which noticed that Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew, allowed MacArthur plenty of opportunities to describe the gospel message, and defend it, in front of an online audience and in front of Shapiro himself. The pastor, in fact, kept circling back to the gospel message of Christ's redemption when the discussion topic went another direction.

"I hope Shapiro was listening," the writer commented. "May God give him ears to hear."

'Lesser of two evils' highlighted MacArthur's views about Trump and religious voters when Shapiro, a vocal critic of Trump, observed that Trump fails "basic moral precepts" in his personal life despite leading the Republican Party.

"As religious people," asked Shapiro, "how should we choose between candidates who may not be personally moral but may forward our priorities, or do we disengage completely?”

“It’s a challenging reality,” MacArthur replied, “but it is less challenging than it used to be.” Why? Because “you have a party that advocates the killing of babies,” the pastor noted. “I can’t vote that.”

Trump at Liberty UThe pastor went on to state that an advocate for life is the "lesser of two evils," a description many evangelical voters were weighing when choosing between the womanizing real estate billionaire and Hillary Clinton.

MacArthur also used the analogy of a brain surgeon for Trump's moral failings, observing that the surgeon's morals aren't a factor, only that he can do the job.

'Homosexuality is sin'

After reviewing the interview, American Family News took note that the show host and his evangelical guest discussed the topic of homosexuality, a word itself that is all but verboten in politics and the media over "gay," and a topic that is discussed as sin only when such a suggestion is described as hateful, "homophobic," and antiquated.

But the pastor didn't hold back.

wedding rings on Bible 620x300"The Bible identifies, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament, homosexuality as a sin. Clearly," MacArthur observed. "There's no getting around that."

The pastor went on to commit another progressive heresy by suggesting that homosexuals can change.

"In the New Testament the Apostle Paul says, 'such were some of you,' homosexual, effeminate," the pastor points out. "Then he says but you were washed, you are sanctified in Christ."

Evangelicals often shy away from witnessing to homosexuals for fear of offending them, he told Shapiro, but the purpose of the gospel message is to "confront the sinner's sin" and lead them to repentance and forgiveness.

"I offend people all the time because that's necessary," MacArthur said. "If you try to develop a kind of Christianity that's inoffensive, it's not Christianity. It's not the gospel."

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